Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/09/1999 08:07 AM House CRA

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       HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                                                                     
                STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                  March 9, 1999                                                                                                 
                    8:07 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  Representative Andrew Halcro, Co-Chairman                                                                                     
  Representative Carl Morgan                                                                                                    
  Representative Lisa Murkowski                                                                                                 
  Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  MEMBERS PRESENT BY TELECONFERENCE FROM WHITEHORSE                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  Representative John Harris, Co-Chairman                                                                                       
  Representative Fred Dyson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  Representative Albert Kookesh                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  OVERSIGHT HEARING:     OPENING OF SEASONAL ROADS IN RURAL AREAS                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  *HOUSE BILL NO. 40                                                                                                            
  "An Act combining parts of the Department of Commerce and                                                                     
  Economic Development and parts of the Department of Community                                                                 
  and Regional Affairs by transferring some of their duties to                                                                  
  a new Department of Commerce and Rural Development;                                                                           
  transferring some of the duties of the Department of Commerce                                                                 
  and Economic Development and the Department of Community and                                                                  
  Regional Affairs to other existing agencies; eliminating the                                                                  
  Department of Commerce and Economic Development and the                                                                       
  Department of Community and Regional Affairs; relating to the                                                                 
  Department of Commerce and Rural Development and the                                                                          
  commissioner of commerce and rural development; adjusting the                                                                 
  membership of certain multi- member bodies to reflect the                                                                     
  transfer of duties among departments and the elimination of                                                                   
  departments; creating the office of international trade and                                                                   
  relating to its duties; and providing for an effective date."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING POSTPONED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  *HOUSE BILL NO. 103                                                                                                           
  "An Act relating to civil actions by municipalities and                                                                       
  certain public corporations and prohibiting certain civil                                                                     
  actions by them against firearms or ammunition manufacturers                                                                  
  and dealers."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING POSTPONED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  *HOUSE BILL NO. 98                                                                                                            
  "An Act relating to contracts for the provision of state                                                                      
  public assistance to certain recipients in the state;                                                                         
  providing for regional public assistance plans and programs in                                                                
  the state; relating to grants for Alaska tribal family                                                                        
  assistance programs; and providing for an effective date."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING POSTPONED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  JOE PERKINS, Commissioner                                                                                                     
  Alaska Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                     
  3132 Channel Drive                                                                                                            
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-7898                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  NANCY SLAGLE, Director of Administrative Services                                                                             
  Alaska Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                     
  3132 Channel Drive                                                                                                            
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-7898                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  DAVID SLOAN. MLA                                                                                                              
  Yukon Legislative Assembly                                                                                                    
  PO Box 2703                                                                                                                   
  Whitehorse, Yukon Y1A2C6                                                                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  PETER JENKINS, MLA                                                                                                            
  Yukon Legislative Assembly                                                                                                    
  PO Box 2703                                                                                                                   
  Whitehorse, Yukon Y1A2C6                                                                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  LISA VONBARGEN                                                                                                                
  Valdez Convention and Visitors Bureau                                                                                         
  PO Box 870                                                                                                                    
  Valdez, Alaska 99686                                                                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  DANA ULVI                                                                                                                     
  PO Box 27                                                                                                                     
  Eagle, Alaska 99738                                                                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  PATRICIA SANDERS                                                                                                              
  PO Box 126                                                                                                                    
  Eagle, Alaska 99738                                                                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  JEANNE TETANGELO                                                                                                              
  PO Box 27                                                                                                                     
  Eagle, Alaska 99738                                                                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  BARRY WESTPHAL                                                                                                                
  PO Box 60                                                                                                                     
  Eagle, Alaska 99738                                                                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  JEAN WOODALL                                                                                                                  
  PO Box 58                                                                                                                     
  Eagle, Alaska 99738                                                                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  BRETT CARLSON                                                                                                                 
  Alaska Visitors Association                                                                                                   
  Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  KEN BECHTEL                                                                                                                   
  Holland-America                                                                                                               
  1980 S. Cushman Street                                                                                                        
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99701                                                                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  KATHY HELFRICK                                                                                                                
  Alaska Visitors Association                                                                                                   
  1958 Porcupine Land                                                                                                           
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99712                                                                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  CHARLES REX                                                                                                                   
  Fairbanks City Council                                                                                                        
  970 Wood Way                                                                                                                  
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99709                                                                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  FRANK ROSE                                                                                                                    
  PO Box 72478                                                                                                                  
  Fairbanks, Alaska 99707                                                                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  ED ZEINE, Mayor                                                                                                               
  City of Cordova                                                                                                               
  PO Box 1210                                                                                                                   
  Cordova, Alaska 99574                                                                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  DAN SHARP, Area Biologist                                                                                                     
  Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                            
  Cordova, Alaska 99574                                                                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  JOHN HANDELAND, Mayor                                                                                                         
  City of Nome                                                                                                                  
  PO Box 281                                                                                                                    
  Nome, Alaska 99762                                                                                                            
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  JERRY JERNIGAN                                                                                                                
  PO Box                                                                                                                        
  Tok, Alaska 99780                                                                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  GARY KRANNENBERG                                                                                                              
  PO Box 508                                                                                                                    
  Tok, Alaska 99780                                                                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  JERRY MCCUNE                                                                                                                  
  Cordova District Fisheries United                                                                                             
  PO Box 372                                                                                                                    
  Cordova, Alaska 99574                                                                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  ALAN LEMASTER                                                                                                                 
  PO Box 222                                                                                                                    
  Gakona, Alaska 99586                                                                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  RON HOLMSTROM                                                                                                                 
  Mile 22 Denali Highway                                                                                                        
  Paxson, Alaska 99737                                                                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed to DOT decision.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  TAPE 99-12, SIDE A                                                                                                            
  Number 0005                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  CO-CHAIRMAN HALCRO called the House Community and Regional                                                                    
  Affairs Standing Committee to order at 8:07 a.m.  Members                                                                     
  present at the call to order were Representatives Halcro,                                                                     
  Morgan, Murkowski and Joule.  Representatives Harris and Dyson                                                                
  joined the meeting by teleconference from Whitehorse, YT at                                                                   
  approximately 8:15.  Representative Kookesh was absent.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
  CO-CHAIRMAN HALCRO announced that the only order of business                                                                  
  before the committee was the decision taken by the Department                                                                 
  of Transportation and Public Facilities to not plow open                                                                      
  certain seasonal roads.  He asked Commissioner Perkins to                                                                     
  begin his testimony.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
  Number 0200                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS explained that the Governor had directed                                                                 
  DOT to find $900,000 in cuts in the current year budget, which                                                                
  he and his staff did through a number of cuts.  These included                                                                
  saving $316,000 by not plowing open the seasonal roads, but                                                                   
  letting them melt off naturally, instead.  Commissioner                                                                       
  Perkins said DOT would use emergency funding to open the                                                                      
  Taylor Highway for one week so that miners in the 40 Mile                                                                     
  district would be able to get fuel in, otherwise they would                                                                   
  not be able to operate this summer.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
  Number 1340                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN asked a question regarding the impact                                                                   
  the late opening of the road would have on Holland-America                                                                    
  tours.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS replied that it was a tough decision, but                                                                
  he had to go with putting the money into keeping other roads                                                                  
  open to get people to work and kids to school.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI asked a question regarding her                                                                       
  concern that by allowing the roads to melt off that would                                                                     
  shift the costs to a heavier need for repair under the annual                                                                 
  maintenance program this summer.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS responded that it would not be a big                                                                     
  problem and DOT would fix it as they go.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN asked how much the department has saved                                                                 
  in light of the fact that this winter has seen less than                                                                      
  normal snowfall.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS responded that the DOT Northern Region                                                                   
  covers a vast area and that any savings realized by light                                                                     
  snowfall amounts had been taken into account when the decision                                                                
  was made.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN expressed his frustration that the Bush                                                                 
  areas of the state seem to be the first to be hurt when cuts                                                                  
  are made.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS responded that many of the areas affected                                                                
  by the DOT decision are not considered the Bush, in his view,                                                                 
  including the three small communities at the ends of the roads                                                                
  in question   Teller, Eagle, and McCarthy.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN asked if DOT planned to keep the Taylor                                                                 
  Highway open after the one-week opening in March.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS said no, they would have one seasonal                                                                    
  maintenance station open for the week, but could not afford                                                                   
  the expense of keeping it open until spring.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN said that travelers who have already                                                                    
  booked reservations for travel in May would be unfairly                                                                       
  inconvenienced.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  NUMBER 2030                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  CO-CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked Commissioner Perkins for a brief                                                                     
  budget overview, noting the general fund appropriation for DOT                                                                
  Northern Region for FY 99 was increased by $900,000 over FY                                                                   
  98.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS responded by discussing how many                                                                         
  temporary employees would not be hired due to the cut,                                                                        
  although he did not know if they would be 3-month or 6-month                                                                  
  temps.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  NANCY SLAGLE, Administrative Services Director for DOT                                                                        
  provided general staffing numbers for the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
  CO-CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked about the idea of contracting work to                                                                
  private companies.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS explained that in most places where this                                                                 
  has been tried it has not succeeded because the costs are                                                                     
  prohibitive, due to the fact that snow plowing takes place                                                                    
  overnight.  Cost differential and overtime is very costly.  He                                                                
  noted that the state of Wyoming posts signs that there is no                                                                  
  highway maintenance between 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m.  He also                                                                 
  noted that winter maintenance is not just snow plowing, but                                                                   
  sanding and other ice fighting efforts.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
  Number 2700                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  CO-CHAIRMAN HALCRO asked what is the "Navigator" publication.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS explained that it is a guide published by                                                                
  DOT to tell highway travelers where and when certain roads                                                                    
  will be under construction.  It is paid for by federal highway                                                                
  funds.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE JOULE noted that the House Finance Committee                                                                   
  had put $235,000 back in the supplemental budget to open the                                                                  
  roads.  He asked what would not get done for that amount.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS responded that the department would not                                                                  
  open the Denali or Copper River highways.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  Number 2850                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE DYSON introduced members of the Yukon                                                                          
  government who wished to testify.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  DAVID SLOAN, Member of the Yukon Legislative Assembly (MLA),                                                                  
  read a statement from MLA David Keenan, Yukon Minister of                                                                     
  Tourism.  He said not having the Taylor Highway open to                                                                       
  connect to the Top of the World Highway in Yukon would have a                                                                 
  devastating effect on tourism businesses that are trying to                                                                   
  expand their season onto the shoulder and off-season parts of                                                                 
  the year.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  TAPE 99-12, SIDE B                                                                                                            
  Number 2920                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  PETER JENKINS, MLA from Klondike, testified that not opening                                                                  
  the Taylor Highway would cut 15-20 days from the placer miners                                                                
  season.  Not being able to haul fuel in from North Pole would                                                                 
  mean the miners would have to pay another 30 cents per gallon.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE DYSON briefly discussed the on-going efforts in                                                                
  Whitehorse among the members of the Alaska-Yukon Legislative                                                                  
  Exchange, the reason he and Representative Harris were in                                                                     
  Whitehorse.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE JOULE asked a question regarding tourism                                                                       
  dollars connected with the Taylor Highway.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE HARRIS asked a question regarding the money in                                                                 
  the supplemental budget adopted by the House Finance                                                                          
  Committee.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  Number 2640                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  LISA VONBARGEN, Valdez Convention and Visitors Bureau, echoed                                                                 
  concerns being expressed about tours being sold worldwide for                                                                 
  late May travel.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  PETER JENKINS, MLA, discussed the number of visitors crossing                                                                 
  the border, saying the road closure would cost between $55,000                                                                
  and $100,000. He said there are typically 1000 visitors                                                                       
  between Alaska and Yukon during the last half of May.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
  DANA ULVI, Eagle resident, said he is a 6-year DOT maintenance                                                                
  crew worker who works seasonally on the Taylor Highway.  The                                                                  
  decision is not a safe one in his view.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
  PATRICIA SANDERS, Eagle resident, stated that loss of life on                                                                 
  the Taylor, such as happened in a bus wreck in 1988 is not                                                                    
  "minimal impact."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
  JEANNE TETANGELO, Eagle resident, read a statement discussing                                                                 
  the impact on rural communities.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  Number 2030                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  CO-CHAIRMAN HALCRO, in response to a testifier, stated that it                                                                
  was the DOT, not the Legislature, that had made the budget cut                                                                
  and decision not to open the roads.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
  BARRY WESTPHAL, Eagle resident, stated that many in his                                                                       
  community had made extensive plans around the opening of the                                                                  
  road and that they would not be able to obtain the materials                                                                  
  necessary to live their lives if the road does not open on                                                                    
  time.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE MORGAN echoed Mr. Westphal's complaint, saying                                                                 
  that it is customary for him and his family to buy some                                                                       
  commodities only once or twice a year.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  JEAN WOODALL, Eagle resident, said that not just the miners                                                                   
  would be effected by the road closure, that it would be the                                                                   
  end of her small business.  She then read a statement from                                                                    
  Joanne Beck, 2nd Chief of Eagle Village, regarding the impact                                                                 
  on the building season and jobs in her area.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  Number 1350                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  REPRESENTATIVE JOULE asked if Eagle residents were aware that                                                                 
  the money for the Taylor Highway had been put back into the                                                                   
  budget.  In response to Co-Chairman Halcro's earlier comment,                                                                 
  Representative Joule stated that the budget cut came about                                                                    
  because the Majority in the Legislature had insisted that                                                                     
  Governor Knowles could not get supplemental funding he needed                                                                 
  until he showed them some cuts.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  BRETT CARLSON, Fairbanks, spoke as Chair of the Alaska                                                                        
  Visitors Association Transportation Committee.   He summed up                                                                 
  the five issues the committee had identified that will be                                                                     
  impacted by DOT's decision:  1) short season that is trying to                                                                
  be extended into shoulder seasons; 2) strong marketing                                                                        
  relationship between Alaska and Yukon; 3) pre-booked                                                                          
  reservations cannot be changed; 4) major investment by tour                                                                   
  company in the $4 million ferry from Dawson City; 5) Is Alaska                                                                
  really open for business?                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  KEN BECHTEL, Fairbanks, spoke for Holland-America/WestTours,                                                                  
  saying 220 passengers per day could be effected.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
  KATHY HELFRICK, AVA Fairbanks Chapter President, said the                                                                     
  decision would have a real impact on Fairbanks businesses.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  CHARLES REX, Fairbanks, spoke in opposition to the DOT                                                                        
  decision.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  FRANK ROSE, Fairbanks, chair of Fairbanks Convention and                                                                      
  Visitors Bureau, expressed concern over negative press, saying                                                                
  we don't want tourists to delay their visits because of this                                                                  
  issue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  TAPE 99-13, SIDE A                                                                                                            
  Number 0135                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  ED ZEINE, Mayor of Cordova, discussed the impact of not                                                                       
  plowing the Copper River Highway.  It could be disastrous for                                                                 
  the Copper River fishery all the way to the Chitna dipnetters                                                                 
  if ADF&G is not able to install its fish counter at the end of                                                                
  the highway.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
  DAN SHARP, Cordova, said he is the area biologist.  He                                                                        
  reiterated that if the sonar is not installed in the Copper                                                                   
  River at the Million Dollar Bridge by mid-May it could result                                                                 
  in a loss of fishing time for all the area fisheries.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
  JOHN HANDELAND, Mayor of Nome, spoke against the DOT decision,                                                                
  saying that saving money by not plowing will simply defer                                                                     
  maintenance problems to next year.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  JERRY JERNIGAN, Tok, spoke against the DOT decision, saying it                                                                
  would have a negative impact on tourism throughout the                                                                        
  industry.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  GARY KRANNENBERG, Tok, spoke against the DOT decision, citing                                                                 
  border crossing figures from Poker Creek Border Station.  He                                                                  
  also discussed the problem of getting maintenance done at the                                                                 
  school in Eagle if the road is not opened on time.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
  JERRY MCCUNE, Juneau, spokesman for Cordova District Fisheries                                                                
  United, spoke against the DOT decision, saying the economic                                                                   
  engines in rural Alaska don't start up until spring and would                                                                 
  be hurt.  He also noted the impact of not getting the sonar                                                                   
  fish counter in the Copper River in time.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
  ALAN LEMASTER, Gakona, spoke against the DOT decision, noting                                                                 
  that miners in Kennicott have the same problem with fuel,                                                                     
  maintenance and supplies as those in the 40 Mile district.                                                                    
  They need to get across the McCarthy River while it is still                                                                  
  frozen solid.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
  RON HOLMSTROM, Paxson, spoke against the DOT decision on                                                                      
  behalf of his brother, who owns Tangle Lakes Lodge on the                                                                     
  Denali Highway.  The late decision with little notice                                                                         
  "snookers all the businesses."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
  COMMISSIONER PERKINS made a short closing statement, thanking                                                                 
  the committee for taking up the issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
  CO-CHAIRMAN HALCRO adjourned the House Community & Regional                                                                   
  Affairs Committee meeting at 10:04 a.m.                                                                                       

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